MALAYSIA GP 13′ – VETTEL ASKS FOR FORGIVENESS, NOT PERMISSION

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By being a racing driver you are under risk all the time. By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win. And the main motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, it’s not to come 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win as long as I feel it’s possible. Sometimes you get it wrong? Sure, it’s impossible to get it right all the time. But I race designed to win, as long as I feel I’m doing it right.”
– Ayrton Senna

Lets start off with the big “talkie”. Webber and Vettel in 1st and 2nd was told to turn down the engine and conserve tires. But Vettel was not done racing. And for that, I salute him. He will of course recieve flak from that all over. But it was the right thing to do. The only thing to do. Formula 1 is still racing, right? Or would you have rather seen a procession across the finish line like the Mercedes cars? With a much faster Rosberg keeping station behind Hamilton? No, sir. You would not. I give huge props to Vettel in showing exactly why he is a 3-time champion at 25. If a guy is faster – then he should go for the win. Not with dirty tricks – but with speed. And that should be commended.

Motor Racing - Formula One World Championship - Malaysian Grand Prix - Race Day - Sepang, MalaysiaOr should we salute Webber in saying: “Oh no, you cant do that Vettel. The team told you not to. I should have won :'(” Well, then drive faster dammit and prevent him from even getting close enough to pass. Oh wait, I forgot. All you can do is make your signature “Webber-chop” when someone faster tries to pass you. That’s not fair and it’s not racing in my book.

Webber had plenty of time seeing Vettel coming. It’s not like he was suddenly pounced with no time to turn his engine back up. 2 laps went by after Vettels stop before he was passed. It was clear that Webber drove like mad to keep him behind. In 2010 and 2012 we have all seen how much 7 points matter in the end. And that is why Vettel had to go for it. And it was 100% correct from a racing standpoint. No matter what the team said. Vettel, my hat is tipped. Keep it up.

Mark Webber is a proven hypocrite. Remember Silverstone 2011? Did he listen to teamorders then? No. He did not. So Mark, respectfully – shut up.
And the fact that he almost pushed Vettel into the wall should seriously be adressed. This is the same guy who squeezed his teammate into turn 1 in the championship deciding race in Brazil last year. This allowed his rival to pass him unscathed on the outside. Genius..
Here is the article where Mark admits ignoring teamorders: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93001

Webber has always done exactly what he wanted for years. Opposed team orders numerous times. Webber was praised by many for going against the “evil” Red Bull team orders in Silverstone 2011. But when Vettel does it for once to get a win, all hell breaks loose. Go figure.

Some people say its unsporting and compare Vettels behaviour to Alonsos. In fact, it could not be more different. In this case there is no broken seal on Webbers gearbox. There are no orders saying Webber should let Vettel by. We would hate that. Instead, Vettel gave it the beans and went for the win. Webber saw him coming. He defended in a ruthless manner. But to no avail. Racing and the best man won. Was it the “correct” thing to do? Should Vettel have stayed behind? Was he in the wrong from the team point of view? In a word, yes. But from a spectators view, I’m glad he didn’t. Result: Exciting racing and some delicious controversy 😉

My bottomline is this: The true culprits in this affair is not really Vettel. No, it is Red Bull or any other team that does not let their team mates race when only 2/3 of the race is done. What Formula 1 fan wants that? Don’t we want racing to the finish line? I sure do.

KIMIS RACE

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As for Kimi. From soaring high to stooping low. This race should just be forgotten as quickly as possible. Having shown great speed and promise in the practice sessions, the rain falling in Q3 marked the start of all his troubles. Unable to show as good a pace on a wet track, he qualified 7th. Ok, not too bad. We knew he could win from 7th. Hopes somewhat intact.

Motor Racing - Formula One World Championship - Malaysian Grand Prix - Race Day - Sepang, MalaysiaBut a mysterious 3-grid penalty significantly dimmed any hopes. As of now, I still don’t know who instigated the blocking complaint against Rosberg. Because it wasn’t Mercedes according to Wolff. As the race start approached, so did the rain. And with Kimi being stuck behind slower cars, the race went downhill from there. It was rather painful to watch to be honest. And his 7th place finish would have been worse if Button had not retired. Maybe even worse if the Force Indias had been racing as well. So I will gracefully leave Kimis race here as it was a bit disappointing. He did lose a part of his front wing on the first lap and that would explain a lot of the problems in the race. And why he could not pass as easily as Grosjean. Interview about that here: http://www.lotusf1team.com/bumpy-ride-for-kimi-raikkonen-in.html

I will say that we saw some great racing from Kimi in his fights with Perez and Hulk. The Hulk being way too much on the choppy side, though. But Kimi always stays out of trouble somehow. If only he had gotten by them quicker. Oh well. Luckily there was other stuff that made this race entertaining, weird and controversial. Kimi is lucky to keep 2nd place in the championship. It may be too much to ask, but a dry weekend in China is requested.

You can enjoy Skys segment on Kimi ice racing in Russia instead. I respect Natalie Pinkham a whole lot more after this bit. She is a dream interviewer compared to that Lee McKenzie. But Natalie – ixnay on the question about Finns having a good connection with the Russians :/ Eeshh.. Read some history, will you. Kimi was polite to laugh it off. At 4:35:


HIGHLIGHTS

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5. Alonso/Ferraris retarded decision to stay out with a broken front wing.
That was not clever. Funny as heck. But not clever at all. Encore!

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4. Hamilton “visiting” his old team in the pitstops.
You can take Hamilton out of McLaren but you cannot take McLaren out of Hamilton?

3. The teambattle between the Mercedes cars.
Rosberg once again a lot faster than a teammate he was predicted to struggle against. It is still early days. But Nico is good and probably underestimated.

2. The racing between the Red Bulls.
Already covered in the first paragraphs. But oh boy it was close to a rerun of Turkey 2010. Can you imagine?? Lol.

It's the podium of the clenched mouths.

It’s the podium of the clenched mouths.

1. The angry podium. A furious Webber and a sheepish Hamilton.
And so the scorned rubberface was angry. And chose not to spray champagne on his teammate. Because “that’ll teach him!” For he thought he had been so horribly wronged. After all – he himself doth always abide the teams orders.. And the Mercedes driver did look upon his shoes and gave an awkward nod towards his team. And that concluded the angriest podium ever.

Yea, I’m done. Take it easy, people. I am renovating the nursery so I gotta be on my way 🙂

Love,
Soren

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43 Responses to MALAYSIA GP 13′ – VETTEL ASKS FOR FORGIVENESS, NOT PERMISSION

  1. Bert Ford says:

    You are so biased against Webber it’s unreal! The way things are headed with Vettel (Who I used to respect a lot more before today) he could easily become another Schumacher who was the dirtiest driver ever. You don’t have to cheat to be good, look at Prost, Stewart, Clark, Brabham and many, many more. They never cheated but were still great drivers and worthy champions. The word “Sport” should mean sport, not win at all costs. If Vettel had taken out both Red Bulls, which he could have easily done, what would you have said about that!

    • Soren says:

      So far, this is the only thing that can even remotely have any resemblance of “dirty” behavior from Vettel. So I think he is good for now. Still oceans apart from Schumacher. He hardly cheated – he just wanted to win. People should celebrate that. Granted, the team told him otherwise but isn’t this what we want to see? Racers that race and go for the win? Webber had plenty of time to defend and pick up the pace. Except he couldn’t. And to me – that is hardly a deserving winner.
      Besides, the way Webber tends to defend, it would more likely be him that would have taken out both cars. And he almost did with that push towards the wall. No, racing won today. Not teamorders. And for that, I am glad.

      • Bert Ford says:

        So you’ve forgotten how Vettel nearly pushed Button off in a similar move last year? After the race Button said something like ” So that’s how we’re going to race is it?”. What I am saying is that it could be the thin end of the wedge. It showed a lack of respect towards his team (his employers) and to his team mate. Wasn’t Webber in complete control of the race and obeying instructions from his team? Why should Vettel have impunity from team orders? If they had carried on racing each other after the orders were given, there was perhaps a possibility of the tyres failing or running out of fuel. That’s one of the reasons to obey, as the technicians know more than the driver does about the condition of the car and the possibilities of losing very valuable points. Orders are given, in most cases, for a very sensible and valid reason, and that’s why they should be obeyed. Bending or breaking rules or orders doesn’t make a driver a better driver, no way! I really hope Vettel does not follow in Schumacher’s footsteps because he has enough natural talent to win fair and square without the need to damage his reputation or risk losing races/points over a matter of pride or selfishness.

  2. anqiaa says:

    Nicely said and summed up! Couldn’t agree more! Its not being biased at all – I stand behind what Soren is saying – this is racing! The drivers are there to race not to carry cars home. This is why they have the best of the best engineers and if they fail – they should rectify. Dirty drivers no but dirty team principles definately! Most of the fighting going on between drivers are caused by team principles and so I’ll say this – Well done Redbull! Hope you are happy in signing Webber again! Last I checked – Webber didn’t hesitate one minute to slander Vettel or the team and drag their names through the mud! Vettel on the other hand – kept his cool – wrong or not – he kept it and in my opinion – Vettel you bloody beauty!

  3. Hames says:

    Hi, good to have your reports again.
    WEBBER: I am with you on this little spat, and have tried to post my opinion on a couple of sites and got blocked!! Folks don’t like Seb, it’s a mystery….
    As a realist, I understand that Seb cannot give away 7 points just because MW would like them for himself. He did not cheat to gain them, in the way Schumacher may have done. He battled and was victorious. Yes it’s a little bit naughty to ignore team orders, but those 7 points will be crucial when Alonso and Kimi resume their campaigns.
    KIMI: FP2 result would have been the race result, BUT, the rain came. A perfectly balanced car was put out of kilter making tweaks to cope with the rain, and for this Kimi and his crew can only blame themselves. It was painful to watch.
    The penalty? I thought the decision too harsh. Who complained? Possible culprits: Ferrari. Or maybe Ferrari. Or, on the other hand, Ferrari. No doubt we will learn more.

    Lastly, please excuse my over long reply.

  4. Lynn Carapella says:

    sorry soren. can’t agree with you on this one. vettel had a choice, and in my eye’s he made the wrong one. webber and his engineer made the call to stay out on the inters, vettel gambled on the slicks, lost a lost of time and for that he stole his teammate’s potential win and/or something that could have been a whole lot worse. yes, i like racing, yes, i like driven athletes – but i prefer sportsmanship, i prefer class: as exemplified by the merc team. (btw, another fascinating “race” at play here too! brawn v. horner and the power of persuasion. i think brawn has more to be proud of… his boys listened. that being said, rosberg’s comment that “he will remember this one” is a point well taken. but it will come when the team decides (now that this sort of thing is deemed legal, for now – haha.) hamilton even saluted his teammate for it. but for me and red bull, it was all over with vettel’s comment of “get him out of the way” when he and webber were swopping best lap times. i love vettel, but if i have to be honest with the situation, he doesn’t get any props from me today. can you just imagine the vitriol if alonson pulled this on a race leading massa? and coming full circle since this a kimi forum – what would you have thought if grosjean pulled this while the kimster was leading and preserving his engine, tires and fuel according to orders?

    • Soren says:

      Well, we can’t agree on everything, Lynn 🙂 Sure, not a wise move teamwise from Vettel. But I loved every moment of it. It would have been the dullest end to a race ever. 2 teams, 4 drivers holding station to chequered. Hooray. Oh boy, can Brawn persuade Rosberg? Can Horner keep Vettel where he is? The suspense!
      Nope, thats not what I want. I want racing. And Vettel gave us that. He should be proud of this win and not apologize.
      As for the Kimi/Grosjean scenario you are proposing. Well, I would suspect that Kimi would pick up the pace and show Grosjean how it’s done. If he didn’t and Grosjean overtook him on merit – as sour as that would be, it would be deserved. It’s racing. Not who is the most persuasive team boss.

      • Lynn Carapella says:

        All valid points, however, I don’t agree that this is just “Racing” so fair play be damned. It’s F1, team-style racing. F1- the team sport where your contract says that the team signs your pay check and the team comes first. There’s racing against a competitor, racing against a clock, racing for flat out speed, slot cars, drag racing, racing against the elements, etc etc. If you want to race in F1 then you’ve agreed that no one driver is ever above the team. And that’s Vettel’s sin today. Further, if you want to race in F1 by TODAY’s standards, it’s not just put your foot down and see who crosses the checkers first…. today it’s tires, KERS, drs, endplates, winglets, aero, brakes cooling, sub 3-second pits stops, electronic pit releases, fuel consumption, weather predictions, marketing, swiveling jacks, etc etc in addition to rallying the factory, mechanics and engineers around your side of the garage as well. If one driver, on one given race day does that better than his teammate, then the other TEAM member can’t just throw his hands up and decide on his own that all bets are off I need to win at all costs, screw everything we stand for! Yes, it’s racing, but while there are still two car teams it has it’s parameters. And being a persuasive team boss is one important role in a team effort, as is looking into the sky, feeling the rubber on the track and predicting when to change your tires. Acting selfishly to jeopardize points for your team at only round 2 is poor sportsmanship in this style racing. I think what bothers me the most is that Vettel is too awesome, too talented, too above it to have to resort to this type of thing. It just seems a bit too desperate! Look, it begs to question, that if after the second pit stop – Webber didn’t listen to his engineer and instead turned on the speed perhaps Vettel wouldn’t have even been close enough to think about challenging. We will never know because all concerned pronounced the racing off. (Yes, I agree that sucks for fans of flat out quali-style laps over the race distance but great for fans who think the WDC whole package trophy goes to the driver who champions the FORMULA part of FORMULA ONE.) Also I think Rosberg (who was told by Brawn over the radio that – yes, you think you’re faster but your teammate is faster still – he’s listening to the same directives you are, has speed in hand as well, and is not racing otherwise he would rocketing off away from you!) said it best when he was interviewed later, “magnanimous after the dust had settled and didn’t throw his toys out of the cot… “It’s a team effort and I respected the team’s opinion,” said the German. “For the team to want us to bring it home third and fourth is fully understandable and I know if it had been the other way around they would’ve done the same thing. There will be times to fight between team-ates in the future.”

      • Bert Ford says:

        Brilliantly put Lynn, spot on!

    • Vic says:

      Brilliantly put Lynn.
      I watched the race again, two days ago and I really agree with all the points. In retrospective the lack of sportsmanship was so futile as Vettel won WDC of 2013 with no bother. I think that this incident was so relevant for what spoiled brats the drivers have become : Kimi said that he was born in the wrong era and is, probably, the only acive F1 driver with real class, (little bit maybe Button, also), look at the Monaco incident with Riccardo.
      If I have problems with Webber was that : 1/ yes, he was an hypocrite, 2/ the way he choose to wash in public the dirty laundry. But, they had a history starting in 2010, and let’s put like this Horner is not Brawn. Horner failed from start to be a real team principal, he is the prototype of the new corporate manager (not leader) recently exemplified by Toto Wollf, for which only result counts, doesn’t matter how, and he and the other hypocrite Newey deserved the public embarrassment. Probably 90’s was the last decade when the Golden Era of F1 showed some glimpses. We, all, are also responsible, the people rooted for Senna and hated Prost. Yes, Prost played the game and Senna was the ultimate rebel, but in the end the “revolution” was sold to the corporations. We, all, rooted for dirty racing.
      Also, in retrospective, we did had team orders for Kimi and GRO. Kimi was angry and had issues with Alan Permane “method” and lack of class, not with the order itself, but by that time the relationship with the team was toxic and in sharp contrast with Melbourne GP 2013.

  5. laffen says:

    Spot on, Soren! Nothing needs to be added. But who was behind the complaint against Kimi? Do you have any idea?

    Thanks again!

    Laffen

  6. Bert Ford says:

    Perhaps we have not discussed why drivers in F1 can’t really race. The rules have dictated that the cars cannot carry enough fuel to be able to race flat out all through the race, therefore the drivers cannot race for the whole distance. Also the tyres wear out quicker if the drivers drive too fast. Surely this is the root cause and why there have to be team orders which instruct drivers to hold station. If they could drive flat out all the way through the race, the fastest driver would win, simple! However, if you look back to the days when there were no tyre or fuel stops, the races were quite often a procession, so which is best, the rules we have now, or the old ones? Perhaps the rules should say that all cars must start with a full tank.

    • Soren says:

      True. However, the fact is that some drivers are better at saving tires than others. And some actually save fuel better as well. And that kind of skill should be awarded too. The fuel and tire regulations being the way they are its not flat out all the time. Unfortunately, but that’s just the way it is now. And like I said, drivers that make the best of that should be able to take advantage of it too. Team orders from the pit wall should not dictate a drivers pace in my opinion. A driver should be able to pace himself perfectly according to the strategy. Like Kimi did in Australia for instance.

      • Lynn Carapella says:

        Not only is Kimi smooth on his tires and therefore great at pacing himself, but it’s KIMI ALONE with his great subtle steering manipulation who possesses some super natural skill for changing the direction of the car AT THE APEX, while MID CORNER. Shortening the corners by pointing the car in his untraditional way for a better contact patch for the tire. It’s speed and direction change and tire preservation all in one. That’s what makes him smooth and QUICK. But based on my comments re Vettel, I must also add that without telemetry and a pit wall to tell him what the cars around him are doing in terms of their tire deg and lap times– he would be unable to use these skills to his best advantage lap after lap over a race distance. In other words, it’s A TEAM SPORT! :)))

  7. Bert Ford says:

    Absolutely right Soren.

  8. Nana says:

    Hi Soren,
    This is the first time I post here. I became interested in KR career last year after reading your article about Ferrari. I heard about it at the time, but did not know the details. I thank you for putting the pieces together on that article… In any case, I was wondering if you are aware of this article from a German magazine about Lotus’ car. I found it at the F1 Fansite, here is the link.
    “F1 rivals suspect Lotus to have unfair tyre advantage” on March 22, 2013.
    http://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/f1-rivals-suspect-lotus-has-unfair-tyre-advantage/

    • Soren says:

      Hi Nana 🙂 Yes. I read it. But a 3 year old car is completely different to todays cars. It’s a pretty silly suspicion. There is not a lot of data that could be transferred to this years car anyway.

  9. schick says:

    Vettel has displayed to millions of viewers his petulant childishness, enter into agreements…then break it when it suits him, this is NOT being a racers racer but a dishonest unethical liar, if I had been Webber I would have put him in the wall, it was obvious Vettel was disregarding “team orders”. The only face saving course for Christian Horner is resignation, it is obvious no one pays any attention to him and his weakness as a leader was amply portrayed after the Turkey incident.
    If nothing else Webber knows positively Seb is a liar and not to be trusted, the gloves are now off and an old Aussie saying “don’t get angry…..get even”

    • Soren says:

      Resignation? Really? Okay..
      You do know that good old Webber doesn’t pay much attention to teamorders himself, right? Pot, kettle, black.

  10. Jonas says:

    Hi Soren,
    Found your blog last year and have truly enjoyed reading it since. Like you, I’m completely biased towards Kimi and can find no errors in his actions, be it on or off track. I can’t say that for Vettel but again our thoughts align and I fully agree with your views. Interesting that there is no mention anywhere of the stunt Webber pulled on Vettel, squeezing him towards the pit wall. Schumacher got a penalty for pulling a similar move on Barichello a few years ago.

    I don’t know why people dislike Vettel so much. Team orders at Ferrari are not OK by general consensus but at Red Bull they are to be adhered to? Perhaps it’s the classical scenario that people seem to root for the underdog (or Dingo in this case).

    Also, I know that English is not Alonso’s mother tongue but he seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding in English grammar thinking that the words “I” and “mistake” cannot be present in the same sentence.

    Looking forward to the next review =)

    • Soren says:

      Cheers man. And I hear you. Some strange double standards going on here.
      And about that move. Yea, I think it was Hungary 2010. The one yesterday was pretty similar and yet it was completely ignored. I guess there was too much to deal with and digest for everyone that it was left alone.

  11. Bert Ford says:

    Soren,
    The big difference being there was a wall in Hungary that Schumacher very nearly pushed Rubens into, unlike yesterday where there was plenty of room. Also, isn’t a driver allowed to make one move under the present rules? I don’t think there is a fair comparison between the two. You can bet your bottom dollar that the stewards would have jumped on MW if they had deemed it dangerous. As far as I know, it hasn’t been mentioned at all by anybody that actually matters.
    Regards,
    Bert

    • Soren says:

      There might have been a smidge more room. But look at this clip from the 1:00 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu1zDTchMYg
      Pause it at 1:01. No wall? Plenty of room? Come on.

      • Bert Ford says:

        Like Schumacher, Vettel tried to get into the racing line that Webber was already committed to. Vettel chose to make that move, if he was that much faster, why didn’t he wait for a few more corners to make a safer move. That was his decision, nobody else’s. I stick by what I said yesterday, you are biased against MW. I am trying to be neutral here, and like I said, none of the stewards or anybody who matters has commented on it.

      • Soren says:

        Just a comment on your quote Bert, that “nobody who matters has commented on it”. Well, not everything is told to the public. And not everybody cares to comment even if they have an opinion on the matter. Here is at least one rival team boss that reacted strongly to Webbers driving: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/webber-lucky-to-escape-penalty-rival/

      • Bert Ford says:

        Hi Soren, Well, I stand corrected, I never knew about that, I’m not sure what to say about it either. However, no action was taken so I suppose that makes it OK ? But did Vettel deserve it after what he had done?
        Well spotted Soren !

      • Soren says:

        Cheers Bert. To be fair, it was one of the members in my Kimi group on FB that was awake and found it 😀
        Yea, I am not screaming murder or anything. All things considered, it was probably best they let it slide like they did.

      • Bert Ford says:

        And You gave me a new F1 web site that I now have in my F1 favourites, thanks for that too 🙂

  12. Soren says:

    I am trying to be neutral as well. But there is no denying that it was pretty darn close. And plenty of room, like you said, there was not. However, the stewards probably thought he left just about enough room to leave it be. I’m not saying the move should definitely be penalized. Just noted that it wasn’t talked about much. And I think that is because so much else was on the plate.
    And it was Barrichello that was in Vettels situation, not Schumacher. Schumi was defending in Hungary.

  13. Bert Ford says:

    Of course, it was Rubens who was trying to pass but it was Schumi who very, very nearly pushed him into the wall. By the way, I just looked at a poll on another site and 81% said Vettel was wrong!

  14. schick says:

    Well Soren it would appear you are out of step with most reputable F1 scribes. The general opinion is Vettel lacks ethics and yet again did the wrong thing morally. Going against the “flow” suggest’s you weren’t watching or allowing your bias to over rule common sense, don’t you feel a little embarrassed?

    • Lynn Carapella says:

      the general opinion of scribes and fans (me being one) says vettel is cold, calculating, morally bankrupt, self-centered, lacks ethics, unappreciative to his teammate and team, etc etc etc. soren can speak for himself no doubt, but i think simply put– what he and others are saying is that while UNDESIRABLE, these are exactly the characteristics they like to see in a driver – to win with a take no prisoners approach – and this is exactly what vettel has been robo-trained to do – and he should not even have to feel apologetic for being just that. it appears that the fan needs to decide if you are behind the sportsman, the team player, the honorable OR the shumachers, the sennas or the vettels. it’s all subjective i’m afraid. and the sport will always have both… very rare to have both these attributes in one racer. nonetheless, some will be remembered for their valour, others will be memorialized for their achievements in the record books. make your choice. 🙂 IMHO…..

      • schick says:

        Call me old fashioned Lynn but in my part of the world when someone makes an agreement, that agreement must be honoured, clearly Didier Vettel thinks he should not be held to such agreements, but when he is punted into the weeds with a WDC in the balance those same people who defend his actions will cry the loudest, see Silverstone and Brazil, sadly, I have no doubt we will see a repeat incident as Horner does not have the respect of the protagonist’s to prevent it.
        I visit this site because I too am a fan, have been since 1956 (my first GP) I raced cars in Australia and Europe with moderate success and have been to most GP’s throughout the world, strangely I’m not a Webber fan but a follower of Kimi, because he tells it like it is, no BS, we Aussies appreciate that. Vettel is unquestionably a supreme driver but a poor example of a human being.
        I appreciate your concern for Soren and take your points respectfully, enjoy your motor racing.

      • Lynn Carapella says:

        hello schick and thanks for posting to my reply. old-fashioned is good and i concur. i direct you to my postings to this blog further up in the thread (march 24). seems we agree about seb. only difference perhaps is that i’ve tried to be open to the views of those who don’t agree with me. i try to embrace the differences i have with soren et al. on this topic nonetheless because they come from intelligent and knowledgeable sources and i like the challenge. but in the end, they don’t change my mind. it’s a passionate sport and we are all entitled to our own opinions. seems we just have to let the powers that be (and pay the bills) decide how to go racing. cheers, mate!

    • Soren says:

      Hi, schick. So everyone with a different view should feel embarassed? Well, I don’t think so. Sure, he should not have disobeyed team orders. But who can blame him when his teammate does the same thing in Silverstone 11′. And even in Brazil last year, a championship deciding race! This was confirmed by Horner himself. So Webber is not exactly a shining beacon of moral high ground.
      People I know inside the RB team told me that Seb made it clear that he would never settle for 2nd behind that hypocrite. (his words) He was in fact sorry for disobeying but not sorry for winning the race. And I for one agree with him completely.

      • schick says:

        Hi, Soren, we agree to disagree it seems, (but 81% agree with me!), however, Webber’s indescretions have come about as a result of the initial Turkish biffo by Vettel….. the “hypocrite” hadn’t forgotten! This does not bode well for Seb, given his latest actions, his apology is worthless, a man without honour witnessed by millions of viewers…not a good look for Red Bull.

      • schick says:

        It now seems your “insiders” at Red Bull are winding you up, interviewed on F1 official site, Vettel has apologised to Webber and stated given the same circumstances he would accept the 2nd place!. Your interpretation “he was not sorry about winning the race” seem at odds with the facts, but Seb can rest easy in the knowledge you would have supported him…..if it were true?

      • Soren says:

        It seems you have a bit of a hangup on this affair 😀
        A person can say many things. But only he himself knows what the truth or the real motive is. I am still pretty certain, nay – I know that Seb is quite pleased with those extra points in the bag. But he is getting better at playing the media game as well 😉 Come on. The F1 site. What did you think he was gonna say. lol

  15. Tommy Kaira says:

    About Vettel challenging Webber, do you seriously think Vettel is able to come close to Webber should the team had stayed silent not called out the “Multi 21” order? If Vettel (So-called 3 time world champion) is really that fast then prove it by overtaking Webber HIMSELF and not calling the pitwall to call Webber to allow him to pass. Only cheapskates with no honor will use such opportunities to do so.

  16. isuraeru says:

    At 3 and half in the morning (the race start at 2am in my country) I really appreciated what Sebastian did (about team orders) and it also gave us great expectations waiting for a punch from Mark to Sebs 😛 in podium, it worth the night.

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